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acrylic lacquer vs acrylic enamel

January 1st,
2021

Acrylic enamels do not use isocyanates. Water-based enamel, on the other hand, starts drying from the outside. Now, things are complicated because there are also "acrylic enamels" and "acrylic lacquers". You don't want to put something hot over something not as hot, as it might eat through it and ruin the underlying paint job. never really had good results with enamels even though i have a load of model master ones. Though ostensiblly water/alcohol based, they can be thinned with some types of lacquer thinners. If you hand brush, Acrylic is the way. That can, later on, become layered with gloss as a finishing coat. "Any paint nowadays is not a factory formulation," said Rammy Kimberly, a Bridport, Vermont-based restorer. I don't want to risk damaging the acrylic base (which has had several fine coats of clear acrylic gloss sprayed over) or dissolve the decals. It does not simply mean "water-based". That makes it ideal for use in kitchens or bathrooms. Water based acryls have a pigment suspended in water, whereas solvent based paints are more like a solution (AFAIK). Enamel paint tends to turn yellow over time in indoor areas where there is not enough sunlight. By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen. Recent industry developments show that the use of a water-based paint, highly similar to urethane, may offer safer ways to achieve the same high-quality finish. Enamel is an oil based paint which dries off to a hard glossy finish. Base coat/ clear coat works best. Enamel can be erased by your fingers due to natural oil in your skin. Oh, and I nearly forgot… WELCOME and post pictures. HUGE 'IMHO' here, of course. If I need to touch-up some of the acrylic, it goes on fine over the lacquer. Or, you can paint with acrylic lacquer. (no disrepect intended). Sometimes it can even take up to 24 hours. If you have airbrush, Lacquer is the best choice. hard to find in the local shops here in the us. Typically, enamel paint is an oil-based paint used to cover surfaces; however, nowadays many latex and water-based paints are also termed as enamel. I'm afraid I cannot speak for enamels as I use them so infrequently, but I routinely put laquers over acrylics. Acrylic polymers polymerize, or cure. For all you know, experimenting with the two varieties might even create a better type of paint for you. Note: Though many acrylic paints can be cleaned up with water, the term Acrylic refers to the chemical composition of the base. In general is this true? Viewing 2 posts - 1 through 2 (of 2 total) Author Posts July 25, 2010 at 1:40 pm #23279 Thomas […] It can also be an indicator of affects on the plastic - ie, i've heard that some hardware store lacquers are considered "hot" and will melt styrene if used on them. The downside about lacquer is it always slightly darkens the acrylic colors. You cannot just use a regular brush if you want to cover more area. As far as durability is concerned, I feel that acrylics win. acrylics do not. The under pinnings is black stynylrez. acrylic vs enamel very good information. I only use them for clear and gloss overcoats. Those two elements can make them a trick to airbrush, as they tend to dry on the tip and clog things up, go on pebbly due to drying 'mid air' before landing on the model, etc. Lastly, it is tough to remove but tends to peel off over time. On adding the lacquer thinner to the silver paint I immediately noticed that it seemed to mix in a lot more thoroughly than with the X20-A acrylic thinner. In their wisdom, the marketing people decided that they needed to label the traditional paints "enamels" to differentiate them from the acrylics. After an almost 30 yr hiatus from building military models, I've got back into the swing of things. Therefore you also know what the needs are. How will these strengths and weaknesses affect the outcome of your project? some cary gunze products but most don't. Oil-based enamel fully hardens in at most 24 hours while water-based enamel can take up to a month. As for lacquer...sorry, i'm not 100% sure on what the carrier base is. Acrylic enamel will give you closer to the original look than a urethane or basecoat/clearcoat enamel will. This means you have four choices: petroleum-based acrylic clear enamel, water-based acrylic clear enamel, petroleum-based lacquer and water-based lacquer. This is … Any auto supply shop w/paint can m ix and put in to spray bombs and then lay some clear over the base coat. Many DIY touch up paints are made from Acrylic Lacquer. wish they would offer after all colors in their acrylic line. Water based acylics are the worst, as they essentially just sit on top of the plastic. Acrylic, or acrylic enamel paints are heavy bodied, high solid content paints. I generally use these for detail painting only, as they tend not to dry as fast as acrylics. An acrylic lacquer base coat has a high HMIS flammability rating of 3 (source). Base coat acrylics can only be covered by more acrylics. Adding a clear protective coat won't help in the matter - if that first layer isn't anchored down into the plastic, chances are, it will lift. But on the other hand, acrylic paint or polyvinyl acetate (PVA) is usually used on outdoor signages, architectural or public murals and the like. If acrylic paint is not allowed to properly breathe, it may split or crack. There are probably exceptions that I'm not aware of or have forgotten. It can either be for arts, crafts, home repainting or even car painting; both have their strengths and weaknesses. Unlike enamel that dries off to a glossy finish, acrylic dries off with a matte finish. But the point being it's all acrylic over acrylic but different brands. The downside to lacquer paints is that they are highly flammable and toxic. As others have noted, you have to look at the relative 'heat' (solvent power) of the paints to determine what can go over what. The preparations are as important as the painting process itself. Just some folks get exercised when it happens, is all. I know this is an old post, but it has a lot of good information. Enamel paints are more toxic than acrylic paints, but aren’t as bad as lacquer paints. Which by the way are the silk DRAW decals. Acrylic latex paint is an acrylic finish, but it won't soften when you spray lacquer on it. It more depends what you're doing with it, like weathering over acrylic I use oil wash or stains. Occasional factual, grammatical, or spelling variations are inherent to this thesis and should not be considered as defects, as they enhance the individuality and character of this document. But i use lacquer clear coats with no issues. It was a black flat acrylic paint with no clear coat. Acrylic paint doesn’t turn yellow over time. Now onto the main event… Acrylic: Built for Speed Then did the chrome strips and chrome around the windows with a Molotow pen which is some kind of alcohol paint (reluctantly thinking the alcohol might get to the Tamiya top coat), but it too went well. If it is exposed to chemicals or UV then it wears very easily. I've been modeling for sixty years. Acrylic paint dries faster than enamel. they are mr.hobby products. My approach is to paint with acrylics and top coat with either clear acrylic or clear lacquer. It gives off fumes which are why it is advisable to work in a well-ventilated area when using enamel. It is important to prime the surface with the right type of primer. But more expensive. In general is this true? I mainly used humbrol acrylic sprays for the painting of my aircraft kits with enamal tins for the finer details. You may find some more "light reading" on this subject here: /forums/p/125865/1265976.aspx#1265976, PS: Remember that not all acrylics are created equally and in many cases, are not cross-brand compatible. I finish with a coat of matte (e.g., military) or gloss (e.g., race car) to seal-in the detailing. In reality, i've never had success using water as a thinning agent and always use acrylic thinner for airbrushing. If you are painting a pretty large surface, then be prepared to spend a little bit more. Instead, the lacquer remains on the paint as a surface coating. Enamels: i think these are classed as oil based. I spray lacquer clear coats over acrylics carefully (at a distance) on initial passes because it can lift the acrylic and blow it over other colors. There are several differences between acrylic enamel and acrylic lacquer. I would be leery of lacquer over fresh enamel, I've seen that go bonkers in 1/1. Due to this, it (polish lacquer) is also used to varnish wood and make it waterproof or rot-resistant. So now we had our "traditional" oil-based paints and the newfangled acrylics. eg: when i do a pin wash in rivets, i'll use an enamel - because i use acrylics for the base coat. Although today, some brands are now offering a special acrylic that also delivers an enamel finish. Unlike other types of paint that still need a glossy finish as a final layer of coating, you do not have to do this anymore with the enamel. Enamel paints take longer to dry because the dryers are alkyd oil based, rather than acrylic. acrylic wise i use model master,tamiya,and now trying gunze mr. color. The most widely used acrylic lacquer is CAB-acrylic. And so to answer that question, here are some key differences between enamel and acrylic paint. When it comes to acrylic lacquer paints, they are fast drying formulas that provide a glossy finish. Ok, I'm no expert on paint (but hopefully somebody who is will come along and elaborate further), but my understanding is the terms acrylic, enamel and lacquer refer to the carrier medium used within the paint and, consequently, affects how to clean up after use. There are some acrylics which use a water/alcohol blend as a solvent (notably Tamiya, Gunze Aqueous and ModelMaster) and some which use a lacquer-thinner-like solvent (Gunze MrColor). I painted my truck allmost 1 year ago and I used acrylic Enamel paint and clear coat.... well the paint is perfect nice and shinny but I have some minor orange peel and dust in the clear coat... my question is since it's been 1yr since i painted it could I wet sand it and re-clear coat it with Acrylic Lacquer to get a better shine What is a good process of paint type layer order that you normaly use?Do you start with a Base of Enamel, then put Enamel/Acrylic over that? These paints were less toxic than the oil-based paints and (arguably) easier to clean up because many can be washed up with water (before the paint dries). Moreover, the type of brush you will be using for the project is also critical. It’s recommended for hand painting (slower drying allows for additional time for the paint to self level and hide brush strokes). "acrylic lacquer": no such animal. Acrylic paint, unlike enamel, doesn’t give as much coverage because it is water-based. You know your purpose and the nature of your project best. Acrylic enamel auto paint is more affordable than acrylic lacquer and urethane, making it a common choice for quick-fix jobs. And lacquer on top of acrylic can cause problems if the acrylic isn't totally cured. So many options now ... - thanks! The problem with the linked chart is that 'acrylics' is a bit too generalized. Acrylics tend to be the easiest to work with, as they don't stink the place up and are easy to clean. People use water, alcohol, flow-aid, retarder, and voodoo magic when mixing acrylics for airbrushing. You can see below the X20-A thinned acrylic paint on the left, and the lacquer thinned acrylic paint on the right just after mixing each one. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. It is up to you whether or not you will use enamel or acrylic. So, according to this chart, I should mostly never base coat with an Acrylic since you should't put anything but Acrylic over it? Then, around 1980 or some manufacturers started introducing "acrylic" model paints. I'm new to modeling as well. (So says a victim…). japanese company like tamiya. It sounds like alot of work but the results are a lot nicer, will last longer and look better. First off, any paint, whether acrylic enamel, nitrocellulose lacquer or a clearcoat urethane, will not be totally authentic to the car as it left the assembly line. For instance, if you’re painting a wall, then you might need more than just one can of paint for the whole project. I have no idea how these are different than just plain acrylic paints, nor the difference between acrylic enamel and acrylic lacquer :-(. The interior is craft paint over stynylrez. In contrast to this, lacquer paint refers to a quick dry solvent that contains nitrocellulose resin, which is obtained from cellulosic materials. No acrylic paints when I started, but both lacquers and enamels existed. You can put lacquer thinner in enamel, but you can’t use enamel thinner (reducer) in Lacquer. I recently started a new model, and when I pulled off some masking tape it pulled up some of the paint. When I was really into it 30 yrs ago, I went to the "dime" store & bought a tank or airplane and four or five bottles of the Testors paints that I planned on using. That is where acrylic paint comes in. My vote is for enamel. easy to find online. Enamels, however, are slow drying. Consequently, its moderate coverage also means that it can leave on brushstrokes. Further (relating to the "general" guide above), even when used with regular acrylic thinner, Tamiya's acrylics can be overpainted with "normal" enamels with no apparent ill effects. The best flat in fact is Acrylic, the best metallic is Lacquer. I subscrbe to the theory that one can paint almost anything over almost anything so long as the latter is completely cured. I had no idea there was that much to it- all the alcohol/water/oil base stuff!! "acrylic enamel": ad-speak. But, some modelers I knew did use auto lacquers for their model cars (many still do). Its been a LONG time since I last built and painted anything, so be gentle!Not having any "artistic" background, my question is this... What are the differences and when should one type be used/not used, rather than the other?!?! My stock consist of Lacquer and Enamel, Lacquer for painting, Enamel for detailing and washing. This is to get you to believe that although an acrylic polymer is used, and you can clean up with soap and water, the coating is just as durable as the old enamels. Enamel paints are durable and become hard, glossy, and opaque when dry. (Though I've had instances where I've aggresively applied lacquer (or enamel) over acrylic with no ill side effects.) No rule against it. Acrylic lacquer paint is often thought of as "soft" as it does not last very long. Growing up in San Francisco in the 60's, all I remember having was Testors and Patra. (I'm sure to have a boatload of other questions coming up soon, so bear with me!). I have a few other questions regarding "pigments" & weathering techniques coming shortly. There are no rules against it,sometimes it can be ridiculous trying to answer the OP's 7 year old question as if he is still looking for the info.In this case CMMX offered some good info,so whats the harm,do we really need more rules ?Just chill and deal with it. Today, we will talk about the differences between the two and where they are suitable to use. flat testors enamels in particular seem to wear off with frequent handling, mostly though the absorption of finger oils/sweat. Our community is FREE to join. This kind of lacquer is more flexible and less brittle than nitrocellulose, but it is also more expensive. I'm not usually a fan of the Internet being a permanenet place for people's musings, but in this case it's totally appreciated. However, do not be afraid to experiment with both types of paint. However, if you use a wash/pin wash, it's best to use a paint of one carriers which is different to that of the base coat. Once upon a time (let's say up to 1980 or so) all we had was "model paint". acrylics seem to be much more durable then most testors enamels that i have used. These paints are also resistant to chipping and fading. They also dry very quickly. Short compatibility matrix (thanks to Masataka Narita), The L E A (Lacquer Enamel Acrylic) Rule: Lacquers, enamels & acrylics can safety cover base lacquers. I'm getting there, gotta get some kind of magnesium paint on the wheel spokes and I can put it together ( 1949 Ford I'm sort of duplicating from a build I did nearly 60 years ago). Diapers Size 6, 108 Count - Pampers Cruisers... Filtrete Advanced Under Sink Quick Change Water... Brita UltraMax Water Filter Dispenser, Extra Large... Engdenton Faucet Water Filter Stainless-Steel... Woder WD-S-8K-DC Water Filtration System - WQA... Brita Water Pitcher with 1 Filter, W 1 Std, White. it was an oil-based animal and we thinned it and washed out our paintbrushes with ordinary paint thinner (or something similar). You can still buy acrylic Lacquer. 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